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Body & Soul

Carolin Kebekus: “Motherhood is in a league of its own”

"I think our entire society is based on women taking on the bulk of care work—without complaining."

If anyone knows what it feels like to be a mother—navigating the highs of joy, the lows of sleep deprivation, and a career in the spotlight—it’s Carolin Kebekus. The comedian and host, who usually makes a splash with sharp one-liners about politics, the church, and sexism, turns her attention to something very personal in her bestseller “8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother”: her life as a mother. 

In an interview with pme, she explains why reality “caught her off guard” after giving birth, why mothers are much quicker to be labeled “bad” while fathers are labeled “good”—and why humor, for her, isn’t just a way to smile things away, but a survival strategy. Carolin Kebekus will be a speaker at Health Day 2026 in October.

Interview: Sarah Raupach, Editor: Christin Müller, Photo: Ben Knabe

Your book is called *8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother*. When did you realize you wanted to write a book about this?

Carolin Kebekus: While writing my new stage show, I realized I had an insane amount of material—pregnancy, childbirth, the postpartum period, everything. It would easily have been enough for a four- or five-hour show, but you can never fit all of that onto the stage.

Even during my pregnancy, I realized just how many rules you suddenly have to follow—as a pregnant woman, as a mother, and as a woman in general. And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “bad mother.” And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “good father.” That really surprised me.

The idea for the book came to me pretty quickly. I called the publisher, and they immediately got the vibe and were on board right away.

How much of Carolin Kebekus is in this book—and where did you exaggerate?

When I perform my routine about the postpartum period on stage, I always say at the end: “For everyone who’s currently pregnant—this is comedy; I’m exaggerating.” And afterwards, all the moms are rolling with laughter because they know exactly: That’s not exaggerated at all; I just put it out there exactly as it is. Maybe I’ve exaggerated a little here and there—it is comedy, after all—but every point is true. And it’s also true that breastfeeding is backbreaking work. 

I think I’ve worked through a lot in this book. I had to somehow come to terms with the person I’ve become: sleep deprivation, constant overstimulation, always being touched, always on call, not a single second to myself anymore.

Until then, I was a different person. Whenever I wanted to accomplish something, I would ask myself: How do I do this? Where can I learn it? Where can I buy it? What do I need to do? And suddenly, my only option was to ask for help. It was incredibly hard for me to say, “I can’t do this anymore.” But that’s exactly what isn’t expected of mothers. A mother can always do it. A mother doesn’t say, “I can’t do this anymore.”

I think our entire society is based on the fact that women take on the bulk of care work—without complaining and without getting paid for it.

Many fathers see themselves as “modern fathers,” yet at the same time, many mothers complain about the invisible work that goes on behind the scenes. Where do you see this tension?

The classic scenario is: You drop the kid off, and your partner says, “Why don’t you just lie down for half an hour?” That could drive me up the wall. Yes, I could lie down—but then who’s going to unload the dishwasher, who’s going to do the laundry? Who’s going to schedule the U7 appointment, who’s going to buy new rain boots? When else am I supposed to do that if not now, when the child is asleep or out somewhere else?

There is just an incredible amount that goes unnoticed.

But I know I’m partly to blame, too. I often try to do everything myself to make sure it’s “done right.” Then I find it hard to say, “Why don’t you pack the kid’s bag, and I’ll just relax while you do it.” And at the same time, I think, “Are you really packing everything?”

Many modern fathers are different from what they were when I was growing up. Back then, spending time with Dad—going to the hardware store, for example—was considered quality time. Today, I know many wonderful fathers who are very involved with their children. But the logistics—who keeps track of appointments and birthdays, and who maintains the social network?—often still fall to the mothers.

When did you realize: This isn't just a lot; it's a structural problem?

Anyone who has been thinking about gender equality and feminism for a while knows this: there is a fundamental injustice—in care work, in pay, everywhere. I’ve been doing comedy about women’s issues, misogyny, and women’s rights for years, and at some point I thought, “I’ve already covered everything.”

Then I became a mother and realized: That was just the tip of the iceberg. Motherhood is in a league of its own.

I know how privileged I am. I have money; I can buy my child clothes, toys, educational resources, and childcare. I have a childcare center where my child eats breakfast and lunch—I used to underestimate how much of a burden that takes off my shoulders.

How does this constant pressure affect your mental health and that of those around you?

That's not healthy. And it's hard to put into words. It's okay among women, but there's still a sense of shame in admitting that you can't do it.

When I say, “I have a childcare center, I have a nanny, I work—and I’m still completely exhausted,” I immediately think of my friend with four kids, who might not be working. Do I have the right to complain if she manages to get by “somehow”—or at least makes it look that way?

We’ve internalized the idea that women can endure anything. We saw this in our mothers and grandmothers. The whole of society is built on women enduring things without complaining.
And when a woman does say, “I can’t take it anymore” or gets angry, that female anger is perceived very differently. Then you quickly think: “Am I too weak? Shouldn’t I be able to handle this?”

When you think about everything you’ve done in a day and how much sleep you’ve actually gotten, it’s clear that you’re overwhelmed. But the image I have of myself is: “I can handle all of this. I’m the person everyone says, ‘Caro, how do you actually manage to do all that?’” And sometimes I think: I don’t.

What can humor achieve when it comes to “mental load and psychological stress” that a purely serious statement cannot?

When you tackle a serious topic with humor, you always have to get right to the heart of the matter: What is the issue here? What is so absurd about the situation?

When it comes to misogyny, for example, there are many absurd moments. When people laugh at the right moments, you can tell they’ve understood what it’s all about—it’s boiled down to the essentials.

At my last show, there were many mothers in the audience who felt a strong connection to so many of the topics discussed. And everyone else in the room was moved by our shared laughter. Humor eases tension, breaks down barriers, and relieves frustration.

During my postpartum period, I exchanged photos every day with a friend who had also just had a baby—of everything that went wrong. We sent each other the ugliest baby photos and laughed ourselves silly—C-section scars and all. Humor really helped.

What would you say to someone who’s currently overwhelmed by mental load and feels completely alone with their “8,000 mistakes”?

Maybe I need to lower my expectations a bit. At first, I had a very clear picture of myself as a mother—who I am and everything I can accomplish. At some point, I let go of that image. 

Sometimes it’s okay to just let things be. The best days are the ones when you don’t have any plans, don’t have to be anywhere, and can just spend time with your child. Without feeling like you have to serve lunch on time or cook it yourself. Then you can just go to the zoo and eat french fries.

And then I’d say: reach out for help. Build a network with other moms or family members. Sometimes you have to directly ask the people you’d like to have a closer relationship with your child: “Would you be interested in spending a day with the kids once a week?” Often, support comes from a source you least expect.

And then you should definitely let your partner know how you feel. I don’t think most fathers would say, “Don’t be such a baby!” If you sit down together and figure out what you can handle and what you can’t, you can divide up the tasks more effectively. But then you actually have to hand them over—that’s often the hardest part.

zero Successful as a woman at work: the mindset is important

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Leadership & HR

Successful as a woman at work: the mindset is important

Equal rights in the workplace? Germany is still decades away from this. But women can do a lot themselves to be more successful at work, says HR developer and coach Betty Wollgarten: for example, improve their promotion skills and clarify their relationship to power.

Expert: Betty Wollgarten, coach and HR development specialist | Editor: Christin Müller

 

Brief overview

Women still face challenges in the workplace—both in terms of pay and when it comes to advancing to leadership positions. But with the right mindset, every woman can actively work on her career. Human resources development expert Betty Wollgarten explains the five key factors that make a difference: career advancement skills, understanding of power, courage, conscious choice of roles, and strong networks.

 

Deep divides make it difficult for women to succeed in the workplace

If we continue at the same pace as before, it will be another 30 years before the 100 largest German listed companies have as many female board members as male board members. And this despite the fact that there is no shortage of young female talent. This is the sobering conclusion reached by the Boston Consulting Group in a study

The gap between the sexes is also consistently deep when it comes to pay. On average across Germany, a woman earns 180 euros less per 1000 euros of income than a man in the same position. This gender pay gap and the unequal distribution of care work, which forces many women to work part-time, also has a negative impact on pensions.

The framework conditions for women's advancement are therefore disproportionately worse than for their male colleagues. Important starting points for improving career opportunities are, on the one hand, legal regulations regarding parenting, care and nursing duties as well as time policies. On the other hand, companies need to rethink their work culture with its conventions and stereotypes and establish more transparent selection procedures.

Another relevant factor is how each individual woman behaves at work and in her private life - again and again, every day, in every situation.

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Succeeding as a Woman in the Workplace: These Five Tips Will Help You Get Ahead 

1. develop your promotion skills 

Women do not shy away from careers and promotion because they do not want to bear the responsibility or because they could not or did not want to lead. They do not lack leadership skills. Rather, they fail one step earlier: they lack promotion skills - in other words, they don't show themselves, talk about themselves and use opportunities to make their own skills visible.

Language and speaking play a major role here: speaking about yourself clearly and without embellishment is also a form of confidence. That's easier said than done: in depth, dealing with your own speech requires perseverance and courage. Who am I? What is [really] important to me? How do I express what is [really] important to me [now]? How do I set unmistakable boundaries without hurting the other person?

2. clarify your relationship to power 

The question of speaking also raises the question of power. The concept of power still triggers a diffuse feeling of unease among women. Many women shy away from the possibility of taking power for themselves or seeing it as a natural part of their career and development opportunities.

"Power is something you’d rather not touch. Power sounds dirty. The term itself carries sinister connotations—especially against the backdrop of German history. But power isn’t the problem; it’s the abuse of power."
​​​​​​​Betty Wollgarten, HR developer and coach at pme Familienservice

Women who want to advance must clarify their relationship to power. Power can be understood as potential—as the capacity to act. In physics, we speak of potential energy, which can be used, for example, to drive a millwheel—or to destroy an entire valley. This analogy reveals the close connection between shaping, creating, and destroying—and abusing. Bringing the creative power of power and the responsibility that comes with it to the forefront brings power out of its dark backroom and places it in the light of everyday action. This is a place where women, too, want to see themselves and make an impact.



You don't have to please everyone. But you do need to know what expectations you have of yourself.
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3. venture out of your comfort zone 

In order to have power over others or something else, in order to be able to shape things, I first have to gain power over myself. This is achieved through self-control. This means not letting myself put up with everything. For example, not believing everything I think and questioning my own beliefs (e.g. "I can't do it", "I can't do it", "I don't have enough experience yet"). It helps to jump in at the deep end from time to time, try something out and do things differently than usual. Venture out of your comfort zone and challenge yourself.

Lock your beloved self-doubts away in a safe from time to time so that they don't get lost and don't get in the way. The incessant thought that others must finally expose you as an impostor can be put outside to cool off and left out in the rain. Here and there, dare to actually attribute success to your competence and performance rather than to chance or luck.

4. choose your role yourself 

What is meant by choosing one's own role? Role expectations are constantly placed implicitly and explicitly on everyone by others. However, you can also choose your own role.

Realize that you don't have to meet every role expectation. You don't have to please everyone either. Also reflect on what expectations you have of yourself that may not be helpful. On the one hand, a role must suit me as a person, and on the other, it must serve the function that I have to fulfill. Person and function come together in the role, and performance can only be achieved through the interplay of these three factors.

As a hard-working little girl, I secure the sympathy of all team members. However, this role could stand in the way of my next promotion. When I lead my team as a fully caring mother figure, I feel comfortable in a bath of harmony. However, I won't score any points with the rival head of department.

5. build networks 

To navigate all of this, you need allies and supporters within a professional network. Networks that, through female leadership and innovation, help break the so-called Thomas Cycle—the phenomenon where leadership teams are repeatedly recruited based on similarity (management levels tend to remain very homogeneous in terms of gender, age, background, and education). Breaking this cycle requires the courage to experiment, information, contacts, and continuous learning. Not only informal networks help here, but also professional ones such as Fondsfrauen in the financial sector or Team Nushu in the business world. With this kind of support, it can even be fun to step out of your comfort zone and take the plunge. 


 

FAQ: Success as a Woman in the Workplace - Answers to the Most Important Questions

What are the biggest obstacles women face when trying to advance in their careers?

Many companies still have a male-dominated leadership structure. Added to this are the gender pay gap, caregiving responsibilities, and entrenched gender roles.

As a woman, how can I improve my career advancement skills?

Actively showcase your achievements, speak confidently about your successes, and take advantage of opportunities to make yourself known.

Why is networking so important for women?

Networks provide knowledge, support, and connections. They help break the so-called Thomas cycle and advance women's careers.

What role does mindset play in professional success?

A proactive, positive mindset helps you overcome self-doubt, take responsibility—and seize new opportunities.

How can I deal with role expectations and power in a smart way?

Define your role for yourself and view power as an opportunity to shape things and take action, not as something negative.

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