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Carolin Kebekus: “Motherhood is in a league of its own”

"I think our entire society is based on women taking on the bulk of care work—without complaining."

If anyone knows what it feels like to be a mother—navigating the highs of joy, the lows of sleep deprivation, and a career in the spotlight—it’s Carolin Kebekus. The comedian and host, who usually makes a splash with sharp one-liners about politics, the church, and sexism, turns her attention to something very personal in her bestseller “8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother”: her life as a mother. 

In an interview with pme, she explains why reality “caught her off guard” after giving birth, why mothers are much quicker to be labeled “bad” while fathers are labeled “good”—and why humor, for her, isn’t just a way to smile things away, but a survival strategy. Carolin Kebekus will be a speaker at Health Day 2026 in October.

Interview: Sarah Raupach, Editor: Christin Müller, Photo: Ben Knabe

Your book is called *8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother*. When did you realize you wanted to write a book about this?

Carolin Kebekus: While writing my new stage show, I realized I had an insane amount of material—pregnancy, childbirth, the postpartum period, everything. It would easily have been enough for a four- or five-hour show, but you can never fit all of that onto the stage.

Even during my pregnancy, I realized just how many rules you suddenly have to follow—as a pregnant woman, as a mother, and as a woman in general. And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “bad mother.” And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “good father.” That really surprised me.

The idea for the book came to me pretty quickly. I called the publisher, and they immediately got the vibe and were on board right away.

How much of Carolin Kebekus is in this book—and where did you exaggerate?

When I perform my routine about the postpartum period on stage, I always say at the end: “For everyone who’s currently pregnant—this is comedy; I’m exaggerating.” And afterwards, all the moms are rolling with laughter because they know exactly: That’s not exaggerated at all; I just put it out there exactly as it is. Maybe I’ve exaggerated a little here and there—it is comedy, after all—but every point is true. And it’s also true that breastfeeding is backbreaking work. 

I think I’ve worked through a lot in this book. I had to somehow come to terms with the person I’ve become: sleep deprivation, constant overstimulation, always being touched, always on call, not a single second to myself anymore.

Until then, I was a different person. Whenever I wanted to accomplish something, I would ask myself: How do I do this? Where can I learn it? Where can I buy it? What do I need to do? And suddenly, my only option was to ask for help. It was incredibly hard for me to say, “I can’t do this anymore.” But that’s exactly what isn’t expected of mothers. A mother can always do it. A mother doesn’t say, “I can’t do this anymore.”

I think our entire society is based on the fact that women take on the bulk of care work—without complaining and without getting paid for it.

Many fathers see themselves as “modern fathers,” yet at the same time, many mothers complain about the invisible work that goes on behind the scenes. Where do you see this tension?

The classic scenario is: You drop the kid off, and your partner says, “Why don’t you just lie down for half an hour?” That could drive me up the wall. Yes, I could lie down—but then who’s going to unload the dishwasher, who’s going to do the laundry? Who’s going to schedule the U7 appointment, who’s going to buy new rain boots? When else am I supposed to do that if not now, when the child is asleep or out somewhere else?

There is just an incredible amount that goes unnoticed.

But I know I’m partly to blame, too. I often try to do everything myself to make sure it’s “done right.” Then I find it hard to say, “Why don’t you pack the kid’s bag, and I’ll just relax while you do it.” And at the same time, I think, “Are you really packing everything?”

Many modern fathers are different from what they were when I was growing up. Back then, spending time with Dad—going to the hardware store, for example—was considered quality time. Today, I know many wonderful fathers who are very involved with their children. But the logistics—who keeps track of appointments and birthdays, and who maintains the social network?—often still fall to the mothers.

When did you realize: This isn't just a lot; it's a structural problem?

Anyone who has been thinking about gender equality and feminism for a while knows this: there is a fundamental injustice—in care work, in pay, everywhere. I’ve been doing comedy about women’s issues, misogyny, and women’s rights for years, and at some point I thought, “I’ve already covered everything.”

Then I became a mother and realized: That was just the tip of the iceberg. Motherhood is in a league of its own.

I know how privileged I am. I have money; I can buy my child clothes, toys, educational resources, and childcare. I have a childcare center where my child eats breakfast and lunch—I used to underestimate how much of a burden that takes off my shoulders.

How does this constant pressure affect your mental health and that of those around you?

That's not healthy. And it's hard to put into words. It's okay among women, but there's still a sense of shame in admitting that you can't do it.

When I say, “I have a childcare center, I have a nanny, I work—and I’m still completely exhausted,” I immediately think of my friend with four kids, who might not be working. Do I have the right to complain if she manages to get by “somehow”—or at least makes it look that way?

We’ve internalized the idea that women can endure anything. We saw this in our mothers and grandmothers. The whole of society is built on women enduring things without complaining.
And when a woman does say, “I can’t take it anymore” or gets angry, that female anger is perceived very differently. Then you quickly think: “Am I too weak? Shouldn’t I be able to handle this?”

When you think about everything you’ve done in a day and how much sleep you’ve actually gotten, it’s clear that you’re overwhelmed. But the image I have of myself is: “I can handle all of this. I’m the person everyone says, ‘Caro, how do you actually manage to do all that?’” And sometimes I think: I don’t.

What can humor achieve when it comes to “mental load and psychological stress” that a purely serious statement cannot?

When you tackle a serious topic with humor, you always have to get right to the heart of the matter: What is the issue here? What is so absurd about the situation?

When it comes to misogyny, for example, there are many absurd moments. When people laugh at the right moments, you can tell they’ve understood what it’s all about—it’s boiled down to the essentials.

At my last show, there were many mothers in the audience who felt a strong connection to so many of the topics discussed. And everyone else in the room was moved by our shared laughter. Humor eases tension, breaks down barriers, and relieves frustration.

During my postpartum period, I exchanged photos every day with a friend who had also just had a baby—of everything that went wrong. We sent each other the ugliest baby photos and laughed ourselves silly—C-section scars and all. Humor really helped.

What would you say to someone who’s currently overwhelmed by mental load and feels completely alone with their “8,000 mistakes”?

Maybe I need to lower my expectations a bit. At first, I had a very clear picture of myself as a mother—who I am and everything I can accomplish. At some point, I let go of that image. 

Sometimes it’s okay to just let things be. The best days are the ones when you don’t have any plans, don’t have to be anywhere, and can just spend time with your child. Without feeling like you have to serve lunch on time or cook it yourself. Then you can just go to the zoo and eat french fries.

And then I’d say: reach out for help. Build a network with other moms or family members. Sometimes you have to directly ask the people you’d like to have a closer relationship with your child: “Would you be interested in spending a day with the kids once a week?” Often, support comes from a source you least expect.

And then you should definitely let your partner know how you feel. I don’t think most fathers would say, “Don’t be such a baby!” If you sit down together and figure out what you can handle and what you can’t, you can divide up the tasks more effectively. But then you actually have to hand them over—that’s often the hardest part.

zero Employee Assistance Program (EAP): definition, advantages & benefits

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What is an Employee Assistance Program (EAP)?

Mental stress, conflicts at work, debts, family disputes: EAP employee counseling supports employees with private and professional problems. This promotes health and motivation, reduces absenteeism and takes the pressure off managers. A win-win situation for employees and employers.

What is an Employee Assistance Program (EAP)?

An Employee Assistance Program supports employees in professional, private and health crises and challenges - in most cases through external employee counseling.

An EAP is suitable for companies of all shapes and sizes and is generally part of occupational health management, as it increases the health, motivation and satisfaction of employees. EAPs are available 24/7 via a hotline and a trained team of experts. The counseling topics range from psychological stress to family difficulties and addiction problems.

Arrange an EAP consultation!

Employee Assistance Programs provide a confidential and accessible platform where employees can receive professional help without worrying about consequences for their careers. The EAP counselors advise and support their clients anonymously and confidentially. The employer should not learn anything about the content of the counseling or the names of the employees.

Some companies combine internal company social counseling with the EAP services of external employee counseling.

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Topics of an Employee Assistance Program?

The range of services offered by EAP providers in the DACH region varies. Many offer a "classic" EAP with psychological counseling on health, professional and personal issues.

Other service providers extend this service to include initial legal advice, arranging childcare solutions, income and budget advice, help in the home and garden and more.

EAP counseling for psychosocial issues.

  • Conflicts in the workplace
  • Crisis intervention, e.g. in the event of suicide
  • Dealing with grief, death and loss
  • Stress, burnout, depression, anxiety disorders
  • Conflicts in partnership and family
  • Educational issues
  • Addiction and dependencies, e.g. alcohol
  • Domestic violence
  • Financial worries and over-indebtedness
  • Questions and advice on care tasks and financing care

EAP advice on leadership and team issues:

  • Communication and conflicts (in a team or with a manager)
  • Time and self-management
  • Mindful Leadership
  • Change management
  • New as a manager
  • Leadership style, agile leadership
  • Mindful Leadership
  • Women in leadership
  • Dealing with death in the workplace

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Example of EAP employee counseling: divorce, debt, absenteeism

Ms. Altershoven recently separated from her partner. They have a child together and have bought a house that is not paid off. The debts for the house are pressing and Mrs. Altershoven doesn't know how she is going to pay for it alone. Dealing with their three-year-old daughter is also still difficult for the newly separated parents.

All this puts a strain on Ms. Altershoven and she sleeps badly. She is a shift manager in a construction company. Because she is exhausted, she makes mistakes more and more often. Her boss also notices this and draws the attention of her long-standing and reliable employee to the EAP counseling service

The income and budget counselors show her potential savings and where she can apply for financial support. The specialist advisors on the EAP hotline are ready to listen to the psychological stresses that are weighing on Ms. Altershoven: the separation, the feeling of being alone with everything. Together, they develop solution-oriented methods to help her cope better with the daily challenges.

The aim of every EAP consultation: helping people to help themselves

The aim of all EAP counseling is to help employees to help themselves. This means that counseling is not only aimed at solving short-term problems, but also at helping clients to develop long-term coping strategies in order to overcome future challenges on their own.

Advantages and benefits: Why is an Employee Assistance Program worthwhile?

Who is an Employee Assistance Program suitable for?

The aim and purpose of an Employee Assistance Program is to support employees in times of personal and professional crisis and to help them before "minor" problems become major ones and result in chronic stress disorder, for example.

EAP counseling is not a substitute for therapy. However, it can be a good transition until a place in therapy is found. On average, the waiting time until therapy begins is five to six months. This is a very long time for people with mental illnesses. Long waiting times also increase the risk of mental illnesses worsening, prolonging or recurring. In addition, the longer the waiting time, the higher the proportion of people who give up looking for therapy.

The EAP specialist advisors do not issue sick notes or prescriptions. They also do not make diagnoses. If stress is identified that cannot be resolved through the counselling service, a qualified referral is made to specialized network partners of the EAP provider. Some EAP providers also provide support in the search for therapy places or a place in a psychiatric ward.

Managers receive professional support with difficult management issues - e.g. in dealing with mentally stressed or conspicuous employees or with personal development in their management role - as well as with their own questions from a professional or private context.


Advantages of Employee Assistance Programs for companies

However, EAP employee counseling not only offers numerous benefits to employees, but also to companies:

1. less absenteeism: Studies show that EAPs help to reduce absenteeism due to health problems or personal crises.

2. increased productivity: By helping employees to overcome personal or professional problems, EAP counseling contributes to increased productivity.

3. improved employee retention: Companies that take care of their employees' well-being promote better retention and loyalty.

4. cost savings: By reducing absenteeism and improving work performance, companies can save costs in the long term.

5 Employer branding: Do you look after the interests of your employees? Congratulations! According to studies, this is pretty well received and helps with recruiting new employees.

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What does an Employee Assistance Program cost?

The employer offers their employees the EAP service and, ideally, informs them about its use via the intranet, newsletter and/or company social media.

The service is free of charge for employees and managers and, if necessary, their relatives.

How does an EAP employee counseling session work?

The EAP counseling process is designed to provide employees with fast, confidential and effective support. By combining immediate counseling, long-term therapy options and resource referrals, employees can receive help in a variety of life situations, which in turn contributes to a healthier and more productive work environment.

EAP employee counseling typically proceeds as follows:

1. contact: Contact is often made via a hotline, e-mail or an online portal provided by the employer.

2. initial interview: In the initial meeting, the advisor first clarifies the employee's current situation: What are the reasons? Is there an acute crisis? What is the aim of the counseling? This meeting serves to establish a relationship of trust and to gain an overview of the employee's challenges. In addition, the counsellor can assess whether further help such as psychotherapy, clinics or specialized counselling centres is required and, if necessary, provide support in finding a referral.

3. counseling process/counseling sessions: After the initial meeting, the first steps towards a solution are implemented in the counseling process. This plan can comprise several sessions, usually 3 to 6, depending on the employee's needs. The focus is on developing solutions and using existing resources. The counselor supports the employee in planning and implementing concrete steps.

The sessions can take place over the phone, in person or online.

4. follow-up and support: The EAP counselor usually also provides follow-up and ongoing support to ensure that the employee is making progress and effectively using the resources provided. This may include additional counseling sessions, referrals to other service providers or support in implementing coping strategies.

5. conclusion: The counseling process usually ends when the employee has achieved the goals set or when the counselor and the employee jointly decide that no further support is required. Even after the formal counseling process has ended, the employee can often continue to access EAP services if new problems arise.

For quality assurance purposes, employees are given the opportunity to provide anonymous feedback on the advisory process after the end of the advisory process using the customer evaluation.


 

Implementation and use of Employee Assistance Program

Implementing a successful Employee Assistance Program requires clear communication, employee training and regular evaluation.
Companies should ensure that their employees are aware of the existence of the program and know how to access the services offered.

Possible means of communication for information are

  • Information stands
  • Articles and notes on the company intranet
  • Onepager
  • Social media, videos
  • Newsletter

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Quality features of EAP providers

Choosing a good EAP provider is critical to the success of the program and employee satisfaction. Here are some quality features you can look out for when making your choice:

1. experience and reputation: Look for EAP providers with proven experience and a positive reputation in the industry. Check their track record and look for reviews or recommendations from other companies that have used their services.

2. qualification of the advisors: Make sure that the EAP provider's counselors are qualified and experienced. They should have a psychosocial degree in psychology, social work (or comparable) and specialize in topics such as stress management, addiction prevention, conflict resolution, family counseling, etc.

3. diversity of services: A good EAP provider offers a wide range of services to meet the diverse needs of employees, including psychosocial counseling, addiction counseling, financial counseling, legal counseling, childcare, career counseling, etc.

4. accessibility and availability: The EAP provider should offer easily accessible services, either through telephone hotlines, online chats, face-to-face counseling sessions or a combination of these methods. Employees should be able to get support quickly and easily when they need it.

5 Confidentiality and data protection: Ensure that the EAP provider has strict confidentiality policies and data protection provisions to protect the privacy of employees. Counseling sessions should be confidential and employees should feel safe to speak openly about their problems without fear of negative consequences.

6. customer service and support: Look for an EAP provider that offers excellent customer service and support. They should be able to respond quickly to requests, understand the customer's needs and offer customized solutions that meet the company's requirements.

Quality feature: Qualifications of the EAP consultants

When selecting an EAP provider, employers should definitely pay attention to the qualifications and employment relationship of the counselors.

Some providers only require their EAP counselors to have coaching training. With others, the counselors must have a psychosocial degree and further training and are usually permanently employed. This facilitates quality assurance in counseling.

Conclusion: The importance of employee assistance programs / employee assisstance

At a time when challenges in the workplace and in employees' personal lives have become more diverse, Employee Assistance Programs play a crucial role. Not only do they provide much-needed support for individual crises , but they also help promote a positive work environment, higher productivity and long-term cost savings for organizations. By supporting employees during difficult times, EAPs create a win-win situation for everyone involved.

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FAQ - Employee Assistance Program (EAP)

1 What is an Employee Assistance Program (EAP)?

An Employee Assistance Program (EAP) supports employees with professional, private and health-related problems by providing mostly external, confidential employee advice. The aim is to promote health, motivation and satisfaction in the workplace while at the same time reducing absenteeism and relieving the burden on managers.

2 What topics are covered in an Employee Assistance Program?

EAP covers psychological, professional and personal issues, e.g:

  • Mental stress such as stress, burnout, depression and anxiety disorders
  • Conflicts at work and in the family
  • Addiction and dependency problems
  • Leadership topics such as communication, conflict resolution and mindful leadership
  • and much more.

3. how does an EAP employee counseling session work?

1. contact: via hotline, e-mail or online portal

2. initial meeting: Analysis of the situation, clarification of objectives and building trust

3. counseling sessions: Development of solution strategies, usually 3-6 sessions, by telephone, in person or online

4. follow-up: further support and resource referral

5. conclusion: Counseling ends when goals have been achieved or further help is no longer necessary

4 Who is an Employee Assistance Program suitable for?

EAPs are suitable for all employees in companies of any size. They help in personal and professional crises before problems become chronic. Managers also benefit from targeted advice in their role.

5 What are the advantages of an Employee Assistance Program for companies?

  • Less absenteeism and reduced medical costs
  • Increase in employee productivity
  • Improved employee retention and loyalty
  • Positive employer branding for recruiting
  • Relief for managers through external specialist advice

6 What does an Employee Assistance Program cost?

The costs for employees and their relatives are usually borne by the employer and are free of charge for users. Funding is usually provided as part of occupational health management.

7 What should you look out for when choosing an EAP provider?

  • Proven experience and good reputation
  • Qualification and permanent employment of consultants with a psychosocial background
  • Broad range of services (psychosocial, legal, financial advice)
  • Quick accessibility and various contact channels
  • Strict rules for confidentiality and data protection

9. is the counseling in an EAP treated confidentially?

Yes, EAP counseling is anonymous and confidential. Employers do not receive any information about the content or names of the counseling participants.

10. can an EAP replace therapy?

No, an EAP does not replace therapy, but can serve as a bridge to bridge waiting times for a therapy place. If necessary, the EAP provider will refer you to specialized agencies.

11. are there any special EAP offers in addition to traditional counseling?

Yes, some providers such as pme Familienservice offer additional services such as childcare solutions, help with care and household chores, vacation programs and blended coaching with online training.

12 Why is an Employee Assistance Program more important today than ever before?

Because employees today face a variety of challenges, EAPs support individuals in crises and at the same time contribute to a healthy, motivated and productive corporate culture. This creates a win-win situation for employees and employers.

13. are there studies that prove the benefits of EAP?

Yes, studies show that EAPs reduce absenteeism, increase productivity and improve employee retention and employer branding.