Carolin Kebekus Photo by Ben Knabe
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Carolin Kebekus: “Motherhood is in a league of its own”

"I think our entire society is based on women taking on the bulk of care work—without complaining."

If anyone knows what it feels like to be a mother—navigating the highs of joy, the lows of sleep deprivation, and a career in the spotlight—it’s Carolin Kebekus. The comedian and host, who usually makes a splash with sharp one-liners about politics, the church, and sexism, turns her attention to something very personal in her bestseller “8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother”: her life as a mother. 

In an interview with pme, she explains why reality “caught her off guard” after giving birth, why mothers are much quicker to be labeled “bad” while fathers are labeled “good”—and why humor, for her, isn’t just a way to smile things away, but a survival strategy. Carolin Kebekus will be a speaker at Health Day 2026 in October.

Interview: Sarah Raupach, Editor: Christin Müller, Photo: Ben Knabe

Your book is called *8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother*. When did you realize you wanted to write a book about this?

Carolin Kebekus: While writing my new stage show, I realized I had an insane amount of material—pregnancy, childbirth, the postpartum period, everything. It would easily have been enough for a four- or five-hour show, but you can never fit all of that onto the stage.

Even during my pregnancy, I realized just how many rules you suddenly have to follow—as a pregnant woman, as a mother, and as a woman in general. And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “bad mother.” And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “good father.” That really surprised me.

The idea for the book came to me pretty quickly. I called the publisher, and they immediately got the vibe and were on board right away.

How much of Carolin Kebekus is in this book—and where did you exaggerate?

When I perform my routine about the postpartum period on stage, I always say at the end: “For everyone who’s currently pregnant—this is comedy; I’m exaggerating.” And afterwards, all the moms are rolling with laughter because they know exactly: That’s not exaggerated at all; I just put it out there exactly as it is. Maybe I’ve exaggerated a little here and there—it is comedy, after all—but every point is true. And it’s also true that breastfeeding is backbreaking work. 

I think I’ve worked through a lot in this book. I had to somehow come to terms with the person I’ve become: sleep deprivation, constant overstimulation, always being touched, always on call, not a single second to myself anymore.

Until then, I was a different person. Whenever I wanted to accomplish something, I would ask myself: How do I do this? Where can I learn it? Where can I buy it? What do I need to do? And suddenly, my only option was to ask for help. It was incredibly hard for me to say, “I can’t do this anymore.” But that’s exactly what isn’t expected of mothers. A mother can always do it. A mother doesn’t say, “I can’t do this anymore.”

I think our entire society is based on the fact that women take on the bulk of care work—without complaining and without getting paid for it.

Many fathers see themselves as “modern fathers,” yet at the same time, many mothers complain about the invisible work that goes on behind the scenes. Where do you see this tension?

The classic scenario is: You drop the kid off, and your partner says, “Why don’t you just lie down for half an hour?” That could drive me up the wall. Yes, I could lie down—but then who’s going to unload the dishwasher, who’s going to do the laundry? Who’s going to schedule the U7 appointment, who’s going to buy new rain boots? When else am I supposed to do that if not now, when the child is asleep or out somewhere else?

There is just an incredible amount that goes unnoticed.

But I know I’m partly to blame, too. I often try to do everything myself to make sure it’s “done right.” Then I find it hard to say, “Why don’t you pack the kid’s bag, and I’ll just relax while you do it.” And at the same time, I think, “Are you really packing everything?”

Many modern fathers are different from what they were when I was growing up. Back then, spending time with Dad—going to the hardware store, for example—was considered quality time. Today, I know many wonderful fathers who are very involved with their children. But the logistics—who keeps track of appointments and birthdays, and who maintains the social network?—often still fall to the mothers.

When did you realize: This isn't just a lot; it's a structural problem?

Anyone who has been thinking about gender equality and feminism for a while knows this: there is a fundamental injustice—in care work, in pay, everywhere. I’ve been doing comedy about women’s issues, misogyny, and women’s rights for years, and at some point I thought, “I’ve already covered everything.”

Then I became a mother and realized: That was just the tip of the iceberg. Motherhood is in a league of its own.

I know how privileged I am. I have money; I can buy my child clothes, toys, educational resources, and childcare. I have a childcare center where my child eats breakfast and lunch—I used to underestimate how much of a burden that takes off my shoulders.

How does this constant pressure affect your mental health and that of those around you?

That's not healthy. And it's hard to put into words. It's okay among women, but there's still a sense of shame in admitting that you can't do it.

When I say, “I have a childcare center, I have a nanny, I work—and I’m still completely exhausted,” I immediately think of my friend with four kids, who might not be working. Do I have the right to complain if she manages to get by “somehow”—or at least makes it look that way?

We’ve internalized the idea that women can endure anything. We saw this in our mothers and grandmothers. The whole of society is built on women enduring things without complaining.
And when a woman does say, “I can’t take it anymore” or gets angry, that female anger is perceived very differently. Then you quickly think: “Am I too weak? Shouldn’t I be able to handle this?”

When you think about everything you’ve done in a day and how much sleep you’ve actually gotten, it’s clear that you’re overwhelmed. But the image I have of myself is: “I can handle all of this. I’m the person everyone says, ‘Caro, how do you actually manage to do all that?’” And sometimes I think: I don’t.

What can humor achieve when it comes to “mental load and psychological stress” that a purely serious statement cannot?

When you tackle a serious topic with humor, you always have to get right to the heart of the matter: What is the issue here? What is so absurd about the situation?

When it comes to misogyny, for example, there are many absurd moments. When people laugh at the right moments, you can tell they’ve understood what it’s all about—it’s boiled down to the essentials.

At my last show, there were many mothers in the audience who felt a strong connection to so many of the topics discussed. And everyone else in the room was moved by our shared laughter. Humor eases tension, breaks down barriers, and relieves frustration.

During my postpartum period, I exchanged photos every day with a friend who had also just had a baby—of everything that went wrong. We sent each other the ugliest baby photos and laughed ourselves silly—C-section scars and all. Humor really helped.

What would you say to someone who’s currently overwhelmed by mental load and feels completely alone with their “8,000 mistakes”?

Maybe I need to lower my expectations a bit. At first, I had a very clear picture of myself as a mother—who I am and everything I can accomplish. At some point, I let go of that image. 

Sometimes it’s okay to just let things be. The best days are the ones when you don’t have any plans, don’t have to be anywhere, and can just spend time with your child. Without feeling like you have to serve lunch on time or cook it yourself. Then you can just go to the zoo and eat french fries.

And then I’d say: reach out for help. Build a network with other moms or family members. Sometimes you have to directly ask the people you’d like to have a closer relationship with your child: “Would you be interested in spending a day with the kids once a week?” Often, support comes from a source you least expect.

And then you should definitely let your partner know how you feel. I don’t think most fathers would say, “Don’t be such a baby!” If you sit down together and figure out what you can handle and what you can’t, you can divide up the tasks more effectively. But then you actually have to hand them over—that’s often the hardest part.

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From brain fog to job stress: mastering the menopause

The menopause is a major turning point in a woman's life. Anna Kipp-Menke, systemic consultant, and Giannina Schmelling, certified nutritionist, have helpful tips on how to deal with common complaints.

What happens in the body during the menopause?

The menopause is an important phase of life that affects around 9 million women in Germany. The effects vary greatly: around a third experience severe symptoms, another third moderate symptoms and a third hardly any symptoms at all.

During this phase, the hormonal balance changes profoundly. This affects the whole body. Sleep disorders, hot flushes, mood swings, concentration problems and weight gain usually occur.

Important tip: Regular exercise supports the body and brain and can reduce symptoms.

When does the menopause begin and how long does it last?

The menopause can begin at the end of your 30s with the first hormonal changes - long before your period stops (menopause).

The symptoms are initially caused by a lack of progesterone, which is the first hormone to fall during the menopause. Only then does the oestrogen level also fall.

The hormonal changes can extend over a period of up to 15 years. A distinction is therefore made between premenopause, perimenopause and postmenopause.

What does the menopause do to the brain?

Many women suffer from concentration problems and "brain fog" during the menopause. The brain reacts to the falling oestrogen levels and adapts. This leads to temporary changes.

These neurological symptoms are similar to those in other phases of life such as puberty or pregnancy. The brain undergoes a kind of hormonal "update" and builds up new networks.

 What is the menopause and what is the perimenopause?

The menopause is the time of the last menstruation and thus the end of fertility (ability to reproduce). On average, the menopause occurs at the age of 52.

Perimenopause is the transitional phase of the menopause that leads to menopause. During this time, the ovaries gradually begin to produce less oestrogen and progesterone, which can lead to physical and emotional changes. It begins on average at the age of 47.5. 

Why does the menopause make evolutionary sense?

The menopause is not a disease or a punishment. Many researchers believe it makes evolutionary sense. After all, "grandmothers play an important role" by supporting families and passing on knowledge. The menopause prepares women for this new task.

How to achieve a positive mindset during the menopause

How women experience the menopause depends very much on their attitude. Those who see this time as an opportunity rather than a crisis often experience more serenity and self-confidence.

This phase can be the start of new career paths, relationships or personal goals. A positive attitude promotes well-being and helps you to cope better with challenges.

6 tips for a more relaxed menopause 

This helps against concentration problems and "brain fog"

  • Accept these symptoms as temporary.
  • Use trackers for important items and a fixed filing system.
  • Schedule difficult tasks for times when you can concentrate well.
  • Breathing exercises such as the 4-7-8 exercise bring clarity to your thoughts.
  • Avoid multitasking. Complete tasks one after the other.
  • To-do lists and calendars bring structure and calm.

Exercise: A miracle weapon against menopausal symptoms

Endurance and strength training, as well as balance and flexibility training, work wonders. They regulate weight, reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease and improve sleep and mood. Even regular walks increase well-being.

The right diet for the menopause

Many women gain weight during the menopause, especially around the abdomen. This increases the risk of illness. A diet rich in fiber, vitamins and minerals helps to support the metabolism and brain function.

How to avoid blood sugar spikes:

  • Give preference to unprocessed foods.
  • Eat a balanced diet with proteins, healthy fats and complex carbohydrates.
  • Take 4-5 hour breaks between meals. Recommended: 3 meals a day.

Recommended foods during the menopause

  • Omega-3-rich foods such as linseed oil, chia seeds, oily fish, walnuts and avocado have an anti-inflammatory effect.
  • Proteins in fish, eggs, pulses and milk help to maintain muscle mass.
  • Vegetables, wholemeal products and nuts promote digestion and stabilize blood sugar.
  • Drink at least 2 liters of water or unsweetened tea every day. Avoid coffee and alcohol, as they can increase hot flushes.

How to relieve hot flushes

  • Wear clothing made from natural fibers such as wool, silk or cotton.
  • Use the onion technique: several thin layers instead of one thick layer.
  • Prefer clothing that leaves your arms and neck free, e.g. vests.
  • Carry tissues, tissues or a bottle of cologne with you.
  • Speaking openly at work can help, e.g. "I'm going to take a quick break to freshen up.
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The menopause is not the end, but a valuable opportunity for a new phase of life. Embrace the physical changes with love and use this time to get in touch with yourself."
Anna Kipp-Menke, systemic counselor

 

 


 

Menopause and job: why it's important to talk about it 

Women with menopausal symptoms often fall through the cracks at work. While the flu is reported as sick, women usually have to keep quiet about sleeping disorders, hot flushes or concentration problems and continue working as normal.

The "Menosupport" study (2023) shows that complaints influence career decisions and that women sometimes reduce their working hours or retire earlier.
Facts from the study:

  • 68 % would like to see more open communication.
  • 57% want more support from employers.
  • 24% reduce their working hours due to complaints.
  • 19 % are planning to retire early.

How employers can support women during the menopause

Promote open communication

An open atmosphere helps to break down taboos. This makes it easier for women to talk about complaints and get help.

Integrate company health management

Information on hormonal changes, nutrition and prevention provide women with targeted support.

Offering relief in everyday working life

  • Flexible working hours
  • Home office with stress
  • Relaxation rooms for short breaks
  • Simple sick notes

Enabling psychosocial support

  • Psychological counseling (company psychologists).
  • Coaching and mentoring specifically for women.
  • Courses on stress management, meditation, yoga, mindfulness.
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 Book tip: The brain during the menopause by Dr. Lisa Mosconi

Dr. Mosconi encourages a new awareness of the menopause. She does not see it as the end, but as an important transition with opportunities for growth.
dtv Verlag, Munich, 2025

 

FAQ - frequently asked questions about the menopause

How long does the menopause last?

The menopause lasts around 4 to 7 years. Symptoms usually occur between the ages of 45 and 55.

Does exercise really help against complaints?

Yes, exercise improves mood, regulates weight, promotes sleep and can alleviate symptoms such as hot flushes.

What diet makes sense during the menopause?

A high-fiber, vitamin-rich and balanced diet with healthy fats and proteins supports the metabolism and the brain.

How can I relieve hot flushes quickly?

Wear light clothing, use the onion technique as recommended and cool yourself with refreshing towels or a fan if necessary.

Can my employer support me during the menopause?

Yes, open communication, flexible working hours, working from home, quiet rooms and psychosocial support are important offers of help.