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Body & Soul

Carolin Kebekus: “Motherhood is in a league of its own”

"I think our entire society is based on women taking on the bulk of care work—without complaining."

If anyone knows what it feels like to be a mother—navigating the highs of joy, the lows of sleep deprivation, and a career in the spotlight—it’s Carolin Kebekus. The comedian and host, who usually makes a splash with sharp one-liners about politics, the church, and sexism, turns her attention to something very personal in her bestseller “8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother”: her life as a mother. 

In an interview with pme, she explains why reality “caught her off guard” after giving birth, why mothers are much quicker to be labeled “bad” while fathers are labeled “good”—and why humor, for her, isn’t just a way to smile things away, but a survival strategy. Carolin Kebekus will be a speaker at Health Day 2026 in October.

Interview: Sarah Raupach, Editor: Christin Müller, Photo: Ben Knabe

Your book is called *8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother*. When did you realize you wanted to write a book about this?

Carolin Kebekus: While writing my new stage show, I realized I had an insane amount of material—pregnancy, childbirth, the postpartum period, everything. It would easily have been enough for a four- or five-hour show, but you can never fit all of that onto the stage.

Even during my pregnancy, I realized just how many rules you suddenly have to follow—as a pregnant woman, as a mother, and as a woman in general. And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “bad mother.” And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “good father.” That really surprised me.

The idea for the book came to me pretty quickly. I called the publisher, and they immediately got the vibe and were on board right away.

How much of Carolin Kebekus is in this book—and where did you exaggerate?

When I perform my routine about the postpartum period on stage, I always say at the end: “For everyone who’s currently pregnant—this is comedy; I’m exaggerating.” And afterwards, all the moms are rolling with laughter because they know exactly: That’s not exaggerated at all; I just put it out there exactly as it is. Maybe I’ve exaggerated a little here and there—it is comedy, after all—but every point is true. And it’s also true that breastfeeding is backbreaking work. 

I think I’ve worked through a lot in this book. I had to somehow come to terms with the person I’ve become: sleep deprivation, constant overstimulation, always being touched, always on call, not a single second to myself anymore.

Until then, I was a different person. Whenever I wanted to accomplish something, I would ask myself: How do I do this? Where can I learn it? Where can I buy it? What do I need to do? And suddenly, my only option was to ask for help. It was incredibly hard for me to say, “I can’t do this anymore.” But that’s exactly what isn’t expected of mothers. A mother can always do it. A mother doesn’t say, “I can’t do this anymore.”

I think our entire society is based on the fact that women take on the bulk of care work—without complaining and without getting paid for it.

Many fathers see themselves as “modern fathers,” yet at the same time, many mothers complain about the invisible work that goes on behind the scenes. Where do you see this tension?

The classic scenario is: You drop the kid off, and your partner says, “Why don’t you just lie down for half an hour?” That could drive me up the wall. Yes, I could lie down—but then who’s going to unload the dishwasher, who’s going to do the laundry? Who’s going to schedule the U7 appointment, who’s going to buy new rain boots? When else am I supposed to do that if not now, when the child is asleep or out somewhere else?

There is just an incredible amount that goes unnoticed.

But I know I’m partly to blame, too. I often try to do everything myself to make sure it’s “done right.” Then I find it hard to say, “Why don’t you pack the kid’s bag, and I’ll just relax while you do it.” And at the same time, I think, “Are you really packing everything?”

Many modern fathers are different from what they were when I was growing up. Back then, spending time with Dad—going to the hardware store, for example—was considered quality time. Today, I know many wonderful fathers who are very involved with their children. But the logistics—who keeps track of appointments and birthdays, and who maintains the social network?—often still fall to the mothers.

When did you realize: This isn't just a lot; it's a structural problem?

Anyone who has been thinking about gender equality and feminism for a while knows this: there is a fundamental injustice—in care work, in pay, everywhere. I’ve been doing comedy about women’s issues, misogyny, and women’s rights for years, and at some point I thought, “I’ve already covered everything.”

Then I became a mother and realized: That was just the tip of the iceberg. Motherhood is in a league of its own.

I know how privileged I am. I have money; I can buy my child clothes, toys, educational resources, and childcare. I have a childcare center where my child eats breakfast and lunch—I used to underestimate how much of a burden that takes off my shoulders.

How does this constant pressure affect your mental health and that of those around you?

That's not healthy. And it's hard to put into words. It's okay among women, but there's still a sense of shame in admitting that you can't do it.

When I say, “I have a childcare center, I have a nanny, I work—and I’m still completely exhausted,” I immediately think of my friend with four kids, who might not be working. Do I have the right to complain if she manages to get by “somehow”—or at least makes it look that way?

We’ve internalized the idea that women can endure anything. We saw this in our mothers and grandmothers. The whole of society is built on women enduring things without complaining.
And when a woman does say, “I can’t take it anymore” or gets angry, that female anger is perceived very differently. Then you quickly think: “Am I too weak? Shouldn’t I be able to handle this?”

When you think about everything you’ve done in a day and how much sleep you’ve actually gotten, it’s clear that you’re overwhelmed. But the image I have of myself is: “I can handle all of this. I’m the person everyone says, ‘Caro, how do you actually manage to do all that?’” And sometimes I think: I don’t.

What can humor achieve when it comes to “mental load and psychological stress” that a purely serious statement cannot?

When you tackle a serious topic with humor, you always have to get right to the heart of the matter: What is the issue here? What is so absurd about the situation?

When it comes to misogyny, for example, there are many absurd moments. When people laugh at the right moments, you can tell they’ve understood what it’s all about—it’s boiled down to the essentials.

At my last show, there were many mothers in the audience who felt a strong connection to so many of the topics discussed. And everyone else in the room was moved by our shared laughter. Humor eases tension, breaks down barriers, and relieves frustration.

During my postpartum period, I exchanged photos every day with a friend who had also just had a baby—of everything that went wrong. We sent each other the ugliest baby photos and laughed ourselves silly—C-section scars and all. Humor really helped.

What would you say to someone who’s currently overwhelmed by mental load and feels completely alone with their “8,000 mistakes”?

Maybe I need to lower my expectations a bit. At first, I had a very clear picture of myself as a mother—who I am and everything I can accomplish. At some point, I let go of that image. 

Sometimes it’s okay to just let things be. The best days are the ones when you don’t have any plans, don’t have to be anywhere, and can just spend time with your child. Without feeling like you have to serve lunch on time or cook it yourself. Then you can just go to the zoo and eat french fries.

And then I’d say: reach out for help. Build a network with other moms or family members. Sometimes you have to directly ask the people you’d like to have a closer relationship with your child: “Would you be interested in spending a day with the kids once a week?” Often, support comes from a source you least expect.

And then you should definitely let your partner know how you feel. I don’t think most fathers would say, “Don’t be such a baby!” If you sit down together and figure out what you can handle and what you can’t, you can divide up the tasks more effectively. But then you actually have to hand them over—that’s often the hardest part.

zero Best Practice: Health and Wellbeing at Messe München

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Leadership & HR

Best Practice: Health and Wellbeing at Messe München

Messe München is one of the world's leading trade fair organizers. Angelika Kaiser, Talent Broker and Development Manager with a focus on "Health and Wellbeing" at Messe München, has been developing innovative health concepts for its 700 employees for 20 years. In this interview, she talks about the challenges of the trade fair business and how she can provide employees with the best possible support, even in uncertain times. (Photo: Messe München GmbH)

"At the end of the day, it is crucial that our employees can work with good energy"

How long have you been offering health services in the company?

Angelika Kaiser: I organized my first health day 20 years ago. It was still brand new back then. We sat in our business outfits in a conference room and did fitness exercises with a Theraband under the guidance of a trainer (laughs). 

Over the years, our approach has evolved and we have greatly expanded the "Health and Wellbeing" area .

What specifically has changed since 2004?

Angelika Kaiser: When we started out, the focus was on physical health. Today, we take a holistic approach that also includes awareness of issues such as burnout and mindfulness

We have set up our own health studio, which is a central component of our "Health and Wellbeing". Sports scientists with many years of extensive practical experience work there. They not only provide fitness programs, but also cater to the individual needs of employees

What makes the health studio at Messe München so special?

Angelika Kaiser: Our health studio was set up in 2018 in a warehouse that had become vacant. It is located directly on our premises, so employees don't have to travel any further. The studio has a modern industrial design and employees can attend a variety of courses. Before they train, they receive a briefing and the trainers draw up individual training plans.

The health studio and an "extra physio room" offer everything you need to stay healthy and fit. In addition to classic fitness classes such as yoga and Pilates, we offer special programs for mental health. A trainer, who is also trained as a coach, integrates mental training into his sessions and looks at the exact causes of back pain, for example. These are often not purely physical in nature.

The combination of physical training and mental support is therefore very important to us.


The health studio offers everything the sporty heart desires. Photo: Messe München GmbH
 

What other health offers are available at Messe München?

Angelika Kaiser: In the health area, we offer a wide range of health activities and impulses. Our trainers visit employees at the workplace, for example, to ensure that they are sitting ergonomically correctly and which exercises they can incorporate directly at the workplace. 

Another key aspect is the topic of wellbeing, which is becoming increasingly important. On our learning portal, the Messe München Campus, for example, we provide video impulses and offer 15-minute mindfulness impulses. 

We also recommend books and link to relevant offers such as those of the pme Familienservice and exciting conferences.


Employees can find lots of health tips on the Messe München Campus learning portal.

 

We also have special offers for employees who have to deal with high levels of stress.
One example of our initiatives is the Mental Health Week, in which we provide new impetus, such as constellation work and neurobiology, to promote a better understanding of physical and mental processes. An AI-based coaching tool, another option for promoting resilience, is a brand new addition to the program.

Every employee has a different approach to health - some find it through sport, others through mindfulness or conversations. Some employees prefer quick solutions for self-help, while others seek support through exchange. We offer the opportunity to combine all of these aspects.

What are the biggest challenges for your employees in their day-to-day work?

Angelika Kaiser: Physical fitness, stress, burnout and mental health are key topics. The stress levels caused by the high density of events are a major challenge, which is why we offer a wide range of different activities to raise awareness of self-care. It is important to me that employees realize where their limits are.

Another point is the compatibility of family and career, especially for our more than 60 percent female employees, many of whom are in management positions. Their issue is not time management and organization, they are all highly organized. Rather, it is important to create a culture that enables our women to pursue their professional ambitions without their role as a mother being pushed into the background. 

This is not about part-time models, which we have as a matter of course, but about a clear attitude as a company. That is why we will be offering more on the topic of family-friendly team culture next year.


Messe München has a wide range of "Health and Wellbeing" offers for its employees. Photo: Messe München GmbH

How do you support your employees in times of crisis?

Angelika Kaiser: In today's society, many people are characterized by fears and we try to create an understanding of where these fears come from. I am also a systemic coach and hypnosis coach. As a person of trust, I conduct individual counseling sessions on all topics that concern our employees.

Lately, I've noticed that the conversations are becoming more in-depth. More and more young people, for example, are coming to me with serious issues such as eating disorders, depression or sleep disorders , which was not so common 20 years ago.

With my traditional knowledge, I keep reaching my limits. That's why I'm currently training to become atrauma-sensitive coach so that I can better address the deep problems of our employees. But there are also cases where I refer them directly to pme Familienservice .

What developments in the Health division are you particularly proud of?

Angelika Kaiser: I am proud that we have successfully established the topics of health and wellbeing in recent years. There is a growing awareness of mental health in the company, and our health studio not only offers a wide range of fitness and mental health activities, but also a place to network. 

An awareness has manifested that mental health goes hand in hand with physical health. I still remember sitting in a room with my singing bowl 15 years ago and being ridiculed. Today, mindfulness isa recognized topic and I am pleased that we have been able to advance this together.

All this is only possible because employee health is pushed enormously by the management and I can try out lots of new things, even if they don't meet with the expected approval.

What projects are you planning for the future?

Angelika Kaiser: In the context of generation management, we have already implemented or are planning several exciting projects, such as the coaching journey "Lebensreise Lebensmitte", parent coaching and offers for employees aged 55 and over. 

It is important to us to continuously promote mental health and ensure that our employees can work in a positive environment. We will certainly also focus more on women's health .

At the end of the day, it is crucial that our employees can work with good energy. We want to create an environment in which they can be healthy and creative without being burdened by personal problems. If necessary, we also support them through the pme Familienservice.