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Carolin Kebekus: “Motherhood is in a league of its own”

"I think our entire society is based on women taking on the bulk of care work—without complaining."

If anyone knows what it feels like to be a mother—navigating the highs of joy, the lows of sleep deprivation, and a career in the spotlight—it’s Carolin Kebekus. The comedian and host, who usually makes a splash with sharp one-liners about politics, the church, and sexism, turns her attention to something very personal in her bestseller “8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother”: her life as a mother. 

In an interview with pme, she explains why reality “caught her off guard” after giving birth, why mothers are much quicker to be labeled “bad” while fathers are labeled “good”—and why humor, for her, isn’t just a way to smile things away, but a survival strategy. Carolin Kebekus will be a speaker at Health Day 2026 in October.

Interview: Sarah Raupach, Editor: Christin Müller, Photo: Ben Knabe

Your book is called *8,000 Ways to Fail as a Mother*. When did you realize you wanted to write a book about this?

Carolin Kebekus: While writing my new stage show, I realized I had an insane amount of material—pregnancy, childbirth, the postpartum period, everything. It would easily have been enough for a four- or five-hour show, but you can never fit all of that onto the stage.

Even during my pregnancy, I realized just how many rules you suddenly have to follow—as a pregnant woman, as a mother, and as a woman in general. And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “bad mother.” And how incredibly quickly you’re labeled a “good father.” That really surprised me.

The idea for the book came to me pretty quickly. I called the publisher, and they immediately got the vibe and were on board right away.

How much of Carolin Kebekus is in this book—and where did you exaggerate?

When I perform my routine about the postpartum period on stage, I always say at the end: “For everyone who’s currently pregnant—this is comedy; I’m exaggerating.” And afterwards, all the moms are rolling with laughter because they know exactly: That’s not exaggerated at all; I just put it out there exactly as it is. Maybe I’ve exaggerated a little here and there—it is comedy, after all—but every point is true. And it’s also true that breastfeeding is backbreaking work. 

I think I’ve worked through a lot in this book. I had to somehow come to terms with the person I’ve become: sleep deprivation, constant overstimulation, always being touched, always on call, not a single second to myself anymore.

Until then, I was a different person. Whenever I wanted to accomplish something, I would ask myself: How do I do this? Where can I learn it? Where can I buy it? What do I need to do? And suddenly, my only option was to ask for help. It was incredibly hard for me to say, “I can’t do this anymore.” But that’s exactly what isn’t expected of mothers. A mother can always do it. A mother doesn’t say, “I can’t do this anymore.”

I think our entire society is based on the fact that women take on the bulk of care work—without complaining and without getting paid for it.

Many fathers see themselves as “modern fathers,” yet at the same time, many mothers complain about the invisible work that goes on behind the scenes. Where do you see this tension?

The classic scenario is: You drop the kid off, and your partner says, “Why don’t you just lie down for half an hour?” That could drive me up the wall. Yes, I could lie down—but then who’s going to unload the dishwasher, who’s going to do the laundry? Who’s going to schedule the U7 appointment, who’s going to buy new rain boots? When else am I supposed to do that if not now, when the child is asleep or out somewhere else?

There is just an incredible amount that goes unnoticed.

But I know I’m partly to blame, too. I often try to do everything myself to make sure it’s “done right.” Then I find it hard to say, “Why don’t you pack the kid’s bag, and I’ll just relax while you do it.” And at the same time, I think, “Are you really packing everything?”

Many modern fathers are different from what they were when I was growing up. Back then, spending time with Dad—going to the hardware store, for example—was considered quality time. Today, I know many wonderful fathers who are very involved with their children. But the logistics—who keeps track of appointments and birthdays, and who maintains the social network?—often still fall to the mothers.

When did you realize: This isn't just a lot; it's a structural problem?

Anyone who has been thinking about gender equality and feminism for a while knows this: there is a fundamental injustice—in care work, in pay, everywhere. I’ve been doing comedy about women’s issues, misogyny, and women’s rights for years, and at some point I thought, “I’ve already covered everything.”

Then I became a mother and realized: That was just the tip of the iceberg. Motherhood is in a league of its own.

I know how privileged I am. I have money; I can buy my child clothes, toys, educational resources, and childcare. I have a childcare center where my child eats breakfast and lunch—I used to underestimate how much of a burden that takes off my shoulders.

How does this constant pressure affect your mental health and that of those around you?

That's not healthy. And it's hard to put into words. It's okay among women, but there's still a sense of shame in admitting that you can't do it.

When I say, “I have a childcare center, I have a nanny, I work—and I’m still completely exhausted,” I immediately think of my friend with four kids, who might not be working. Do I have the right to complain if she manages to get by “somehow”—or at least makes it look that way?

We’ve internalized the idea that women can endure anything. We saw this in our mothers and grandmothers. The whole of society is built on women enduring things without complaining.
And when a woman does say, “I can’t take it anymore” or gets angry, that female anger is perceived very differently. Then you quickly think: “Am I too weak? Shouldn’t I be able to handle this?”

When you think about everything you’ve done in a day and how much sleep you’ve actually gotten, it’s clear that you’re overwhelmed. But the image I have of myself is: “I can handle all of this. I’m the person everyone says, ‘Caro, how do you actually manage to do all that?’” And sometimes I think: I don’t.

What can humor achieve when it comes to “mental load and psychological stress” that a purely serious statement cannot?

When you tackle a serious topic with humor, you always have to get right to the heart of the matter: What is the issue here? What is so absurd about the situation?

When it comes to misogyny, for example, there are many absurd moments. When people laugh at the right moments, you can tell they’ve understood what it’s all about—it’s boiled down to the essentials.

At my last show, there were many mothers in the audience who felt a strong connection to so many of the topics discussed. And everyone else in the room was moved by our shared laughter. Humor eases tension, breaks down barriers, and relieves frustration.

During my postpartum period, I exchanged photos every day with a friend who had also just had a baby—of everything that went wrong. We sent each other the ugliest baby photos and laughed ourselves silly—C-section scars and all. Humor really helped.

What would you say to someone who’s currently overwhelmed by mental load and feels completely alone with their “8,000 mistakes”?

Maybe I need to lower my expectations a bit. At first, I had a very clear picture of myself as a mother—who I am and everything I can accomplish. At some point, I let go of that image. 

Sometimes it’s okay to just let things be. The best days are the ones when you don’t have any plans, don’t have to be anywhere, and can just spend time with your child. Without feeling like you have to serve lunch on time or cook it yourself. Then you can just go to the zoo and eat french fries.

And then I’d say: reach out for help. Build a network with other moms or family members. Sometimes you have to directly ask the people you’d like to have a closer relationship with your child: “Would you be interested in spending a day with the kids once a week?” Often, support comes from a source you least expect.

And then you should definitely let your partner know how you feel. I don’t think most fathers would say, “Don’t be such a baby!” If you sit down together and figure out what you can handle and what you can’t, you can divide up the tasks more effectively. But then you actually have to hand them over—that’s often the hardest part.

zero Lateral entry as an educator at the pme Familienservice

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Pedagogy

Lateral entry as an educator at pme

Many roads lead to childcare center. Our team members tell us how they managed to make a career change.

pme Lernwelten offers many training opportunities in the pedagogical field: for example, as a social pedagogical assistant, educator, dual study program in childhood education, recognition internships and mandatory internships. A lateral entry is also possible in many different ways. 

Educational staff are in demand like never before. Those who work in a childcare center or crèche have the best prospects for the future, many opportunities to get involved and a fulfilling job. Even those who have no pedagogical training can sometimes work in a crèche, kindergarten or after-school care center in addition to pedagogical specialists.

And there are various ways to train or retrain as an educator later on, for example:

  • practice-integrated training,
  • part-time training,
  • the external examination.

 

"Many roads lead to childcare center! Although the regional requirements regarding qualifications vary greatly, we always find creative ways to make this dream come true in joint discussions and in cooperation with youth welfare offices, vocational colleges and universities." Stephanie Niemierza, central childcare center coordination of the pme Familienservice

Lateral entry and retraining as an educator - pme team members talk about it

In some regions, it is possible to work at childcare center without pedagogical training and to support the professionals.

The pme Familienservice employs many people who have made the transition to childcare center through temporary work or parental leave cover. For example, Annette, who got a taste of the job as a temporary employee at Locomotion Kids in Düsseldorfand joined the group on a permanent basis as a parental leave replacement. The trained graphic designer enriches the educational program with her creativity and also focuses on language and movement.  

First a vacation supervisor, then a group leader

From vacation supervisor to jumper. These were Sonja's first stations at childcare center. She previously worked in retail. Sonja also started out as a parental leave replacement. After completing a practice-integrated training course to become an educator, she is now a group leader and a representative for animal-assisted education and focuses on natural sciences. 

In order to work with children, Heike worked for the pme Familienservice as a nanny in a private household and took on emergency childcare assignments, among other things. She had always wanted to work at childcare center . After a conversation with her contacts at pme Familienservice , it finally came true. "At over 50, I've now found my dream job," says Heike. 

Teodora was successful in the PR world for many years. During a break, she came to the nursery as a temp through a friend. The management soon offered her a permanent full-time position. "I come to the facility every day with a feeling of happiness," she says. The next step in her career planning is a dual degree in social work. 


From another country

People who come to Germany from another country often find that foreign professional and academic qualifications are not recognized. Olivia, who studied to be a teacher in Brazil, also experienced this. However, with the support of the pme Familienservice , she was able to work in a pme crèche in Bonn. After completing a two-year qualification in early childhood education, Olivia is now a group leader at childcare center, as well as a multiplier for Pikler education and house spokesperson. 

Returning to work after a long break? It's possible!

Do you have a pedagogical education, but haven't worked in the pedagogical field for a long time?

Petra also came back after a long break. When her job at childcare center was cut in the 1980s, she began training in the commercial sector on the advice of the employment agency. Hard to imagine today: back then, there were actually too many educators. After 25 years in the office, Petra felt the desire to work with children again. She was welcomed with open arms at Locomotion Kids in Düsseldorf and has now "finally arrived again!"

Career changers welcome!

"At pme-childcare centers , we benefit greatly from colleagues who come to us via lateral entry," says Stephanie Niemierza. "Many discover completely new potential in themselves. They experience how much fun it is to work in a team and decide to pursue this career path in the long term. We have already recruited many specialists this way and have had excellent experiences. Career changers have usually chosen this career path very consciously and work with a lot of heart, commitment and motivation. They often bring with them knowledge and skills from previous careers that enrich the pedagogical offering at childcare center . And at pme Familienservice , they have many opportunities to get involved". 

Retraining or further qualification: various options possible

For many people, working as a supplementary worker or kindergarten assistant is the ideal way to start working at childcare center.

If you want to go one step further later, you can complete part-time or practice-integrated training, for example to become a state-recognized educator. This type of qualification, which is offered by non-profit organizations and vocational schools, opens up career opportunities such as group management or even facility management. 

The qualification as a state-recognized educator can also be achieved through part-time training , with lessons taking place in the evenings and at weekends. The training is aimed at people who have already gained experience in the educational field but do not yet have a qualification, or at childcare workers who would like to gain further qualifications. However, the two-year course requires discipline and a high degree of personal responsibility. Our team member Mia is a drama and language teacher and has been working at pme-childcare center Bülowkids for some time. She completed the part-time training alongside her freelance work as an additional pedagogical employee in order to be able to work as a specialist.

 

Entry via non-pupil examination/external examination

The so-called non-student or external examination is a challenging way to graduate as an educator, in which you have to acquire the pedagogical content and the necessary specialist knowledge largely through self-study. Our team member Nicole chose this route. She passed her first state examination to become a secondary school teacher, but decided against the teaching profession during her traineeship. "The external exam was pretty tough. I was only given the names of the learning modules from school and had to work through all the content on my own within six months," she recalls. But she made it and has now been happily working as an educator for eight years.

We are happy to advise you!

These examples only show some of the possibilities, and the conditions for working at childcare center vary greatly from region to region. We will be happy to advise you individually if you are interested in joining one of the learning worlds atchildcare centers .

Just send a short email to lernwelten@familienservice.de. We will get back to you.

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